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hello and welcome to the show everyone

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I'm Martin Wilshire host and before we

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get going just a couple of things things

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that are coming up well first of all I

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should say the blog this week by Charles

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Lear is a UFO and creatures in Garson

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Ontario and I might as well say that

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next week I have Kevin day coming up and

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I should always say that in the

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beginning of the show because I know not

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everyone listens to the full show so but

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if anyone wants to know who they uh

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guests are in our blogs are and all that

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all they have to do is go to our website

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only comes out once a week and it says

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who the guest is so uh and oh it's real

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simple put your email address in send it

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then you confirm your email that's it so

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a lot of things going on for well I just

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found out just before the show that

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um there's a category 2 storm hitting

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Nova Scotia and uh next weekend I'm

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going to be heading up that way I'm

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going to be talking at shag Harper on

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October 1st and shag Harbor Nova Scotia

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uh and so that's going to be a lot of

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fun hopefully the storm won't be so bad

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this weekend up there but so after that

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just a lot of things like I said a lot

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of things going on I'm coming back and

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I'm going to be doing the premiere of

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the Ariel school I'm going to be the

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podcaster there in that event and that's

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going to be live in Northampton

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Massachusetts it's a big 800 seat

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theater lots of people coming from all

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over the country it should be a real

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exciting event and uh then uh the week

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after that the show on the 11th I'm

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going to be in Phoenix and I'm going to

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be doing a live show there with uh James

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Fox right there in Phoenix and then I'm

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going to do a round table I know there's

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going to be a lot of people that are the

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speakers are going to be involved in

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that and it's a really great lineup and

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I suggest uh you get your tickets it's

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at a beautiful Resort there it's a

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wonderful place I can't wait to see it

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and it's October 12th I believe it

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starts on the 12th and right runs right

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through that weekend so check out the

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international UFO Congress in Phoenix

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and if you're going to be there I am

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getting some emails uh people people

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want to meet up with me and that's great

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watching and listening and this show

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does come out as a podcast and also the

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audio blogs come out as a podcast as

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well on any about any podcast feed out

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there so uh Our Guest tonight is Ben

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hurl I had the pleasure of meeting him

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back in 2019 in Phoenix he's a great guy

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he's from Down Under And I just was uh

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poking around today and I realized that

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he knows something about the uh the

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Kelly Cahill case and that has always

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intrigued me and so I asked him just

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very I think it was just a few minutes

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ago if he could talk about that case uh

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and then you'll understand why I think

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it's such an intriguing case and I'm

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going to bring in our guest now welcome

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Ben welcome back I should say hi g'day

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Martin great to see you yeah we're in

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the future you're tomorrow there in

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Australia yeah absolutely yes and uh

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thank you for showing up it's in the

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morning over there uh down there I

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should say or is that how you say it I

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know they say down under I mean that's

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the common term right yeah well

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Australians don't sort of generally talk

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about that as a term and it's it's kind

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of like one of those sort of cliches I

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um but I mean if you look at Planet

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Earth you know is there up or is there a

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down I suppose it's us that think about

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it in those terms don't we so yeah I

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guess we are down under but I mean you

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don't have to look up or anything you

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know strange like that it's yeah

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you're not looking up at the United

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States but anyway

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um Blood to the Head because our heads

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are our heads are on the underside yeah

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that's right and I understand the water

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drains backwards counterclockwise under

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the Equator so I mean we have weird

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things like that but I got to tell you

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the uh interesting thing about Australia

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is when I look at Google uh

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uh analytics and I look at my odd

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listening audience and and sometimes we

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get up to 80 000 downloads per audio

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um Australia is like the second or third

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you know country as far as people

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listening you have something like 26

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million people it's not a huge country

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but a lot of people are into this topic

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obviously there

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absolutely I mean I think in in the in

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the 21st century the the interest in the

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UFO phenomenon has exploded yeah and I

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think you'll find that you know since

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the the coming out of the Tic Tac UFO

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and the and the admission from the from

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the U.S Navy I think that that has

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really made a lot of people who would

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have seen it still a marginal uh

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interest go wow this really is it really

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is a big thing and recently down here

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we've had the um Ross cultard Spotlight

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special which Oh Yes Channel 7 down here

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and that was that was probably one of

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the biggest and best moments in

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Australia for someone who's been

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following UFOs for as long as I have and

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a lot of other people that that it's

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been taken seriously because all too

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often it's a slow news day topic yeah

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and they treat it with you know with the

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giggle factor and I've been on I've been

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on live TV and been treated with giggle

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factor and it is absolutely terrible and

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I don't I think those days are probably

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just about over that's right and uh Ross

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is great he's doing this this really

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nice uh YouTube uh show with uh Bryce

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Sable both great they're highly

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intelligent I love to hear them talk and

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uh yeah I've been watching that and

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there's some great stuff that they do

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and uh you know plus he he is you know

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he brings a lot of credibility to the

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topic whether it's Australia or there

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but you know here you have a great

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journalist award-winning journalist is

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60 Minutes Fame and all that and uh

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taking this seriously it is a great it

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is a great thing for for UFOs in

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Australia it certainly is and and that

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interest is just has just exploded and

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now you can get this information from so

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many sources you know like back when I

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started there was you know a couple of

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UFO groups around the place and hardly

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any podcasts and now it's just is a

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complete menu of it out there on the

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internet you can get this information

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everywhere and I think Australians are

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now seeing that as a as a good thing and

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it's not something that and you're not

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treated like a you know like some sort

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of crazy person when you when you

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express an interest in it yeah yeah I

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feel much less worried about what people

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think when it comes to this topic when

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I'm in my professional world I'm not so

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worried about it anymore you know I mean

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it's it's not it's not a big deal to

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even you know broach the subject with a

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a client that that I'm appraising you

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know furniture and artwork or something

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or whatever exactly I've been lad and

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proud for years with it you know like

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you know you know even even in job

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interviews it's come up as an interest

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you know like you know I've never never

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held back from talking about it because

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people are going to accept you for who

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you are wow in a job interview that's

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awesome I've mentioned it in job

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interviews that people say what do you

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do for hobbies not golf

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oh that's great stuff I know you do

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hiking because I've seen pictures that

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when you've been out hiking's beautiful

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oh yeah a lot a lot of hiking out here

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and I'm always

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um but but there's but there's an agenda

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there Martin I'm either going somewhere

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where where yowies have been seen like a

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like a Yowie location which is our

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Bigfoot version or I'm going to a to a

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UFO location so I can you know soak it

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all in and take it as a lot of it I base

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it around the interest anyway but it's

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great to combine the outdoors and UFOs

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how about that now the yowie um yeah I

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always thought that was a it's kind of

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funny there's names for it all Gaddy

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your name all over the world different

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names for it but are there a lot of you

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know I know this this is about UFOs but

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are there a lot of people claiming they

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see them there

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extraordinary record of yowie encounters

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just the same as the UFO tapestry really

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a great and where I live here in eastern

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Victoria it's Wilderness so there's been

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some really great encounters just on my

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back doorstep but right across Australia

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right up the you know even the desert

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areas right up through New South Wales

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every state has got a Yowie history

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how about that amazing now let me ask

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you this while we're talking about this

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any

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um encounters where there's a Yowie and

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a UFO together

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or some type of event like that not at

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all not that I've seen in my research at

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this point in time like I've I've

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explored a lot of a lot of different

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events but I haven't come across

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anywhere where that's combined not to

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say that they haven't happened or that

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if you hopped on to yowie hunters for

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example and look through their vast

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catalog of reports that you could find

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that type of that type of interaction uh

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and in my area here it's been people

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basically been scared witless by what

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they've seen when they've been out in

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the uh in in the wilds and that's

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something well there was a there's a

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case as I was mentioning that I really

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would like to talk about and that is and

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I know it happened I believe back in

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1993 or something like that it's the

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Kelly Cahill case I had heard about this

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early on when I was looking into the

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subject

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and I just thought it was just

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fascinating and I've talked to a few

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people in Australia and I can never

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remember the details of the person's

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name and then

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um today I was like oh that's the name

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the Kelly Cahill case so uh for uh we do

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have a lot of people that are new to the

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subject that are paying attention to

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this show now so uh and a lot of people

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uh that are in the UFO are researching

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UFO topics uh do not know anything about

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this case so if you could can you go

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through that case

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well yeah no no problem at all I sort of

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it it came it happened on on the 7th of

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August 1993. now first of all August is

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deep winter here in Australia that's the

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coldest the coldest month of the year

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it's freezing here at that at that time

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and in 1993 it kind of was around a

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similar time to The X-Files so you know

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it's sort of it had that wonderful it's

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sort of the case occurred at just the

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right time because that was another

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period in history where UFO's got a vast

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amount of interest and I sort of became

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interested in it when I had had sort of

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seen it in our local media here and then

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Kelly had actually written a book about

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it and I got the book and I read it from

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cover to cover

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and I thought to myself this is an

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incredible an incredible story uh what's

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so special about this case is the fact

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that you had independent vehicles to the

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same event three cars six people and a

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football field size UFO hovering out

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over a field that's that's the basics of

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it it goes into a lot more so it was a

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very very uh

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extraordinary case not just in Australia

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perhaps even in the world because most

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often encounters are usually just a

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single vehicle or a single person or a

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small group of people all connected to

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each other this was the first case that

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offered independent Witnesses and that

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and that's where the media here really

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really got so interested in it and it

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became a huge story and overnight Kelly

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became this instantly recognizable

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person in not just to people who are

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into the Paranormal but for even in

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general Society this this story became

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very big

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and

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is the the problem with it too because

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for all the potential that it offered

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it came up short ultimately and we'll

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talk about we'll talk about how that how

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that happened

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so what actually happened

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so Kelly lived not far from where I live

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actually she's only about an hour and a

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half uh west of here is where she was

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living in Latrobe Valley

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and they'll try Valley's about another

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hour and a half outside of Melbourne

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which is the the capital city of

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Victoria

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and on that particular day on the sixth

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actually she was driving up with her

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husband to visit a friend that's Kelly

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and they were driving up in the in the

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late evening

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and they're heading up into What's

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called the Dandenong ranges or the

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dandenongs is what we call it here but

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it's basically a mountain range to a

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little small town up there called mumbok

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and she had a friend up there and

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they're going up there to visit her

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friend and her friend's daughter was

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having a birthday party and Kelly and

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her friend were going to go off and play

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Bingo and if and her husband was going

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to go do visit other friends

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but on the way up they were driving

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along and she saw a row of orange lights

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suspended out over a field in the as in

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the late in the late evening she saw it

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and she mentioned it to her husband and

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he sort of just dismissed it and kept on

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driving

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and when they got up to her friend's

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house the incident sort of like you know

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they spoke about you know oh we saw

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something haha and then they got on with

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their night

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and they didn't get home until about 11

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30 so they'd had a pretty good night and

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the lights had been forgotten about

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and at 11 30

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and her husband Andrew that that's

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that's not his real name

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they hopped in the um they hopped in

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their car and they started to drive back

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down to Maui where they were whether or

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from your lawn North which is just North

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of mine that's where they were returning

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to and as they were going back down

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they they both saw the same row of

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orange lights in the sky

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and this time her husband acknowledged

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that he had seen it

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and as they drive along they saw this

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sheet of brilliant white light across

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the road just like think like a bed

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sheet but a brilliant white light like

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that across the road and as they drove

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through it at 100 kilometers an hour

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they suddenly found themselves on the

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other side of a roundabout which is a

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circular thing in the road where the

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cars can pass around an easy way to give

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way they're on the other side of this

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roundabout

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and they were now instantly going 40

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kilometers an hour so they'd pass

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through the sheep from 100 K's and

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instantly down to 40 and we're feeling a

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bit stunned

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and they drive home there's two parts to

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this story

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they drove home to Maui and when they

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got home they discovered that what it

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should have been an hour and a half trip

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had taken three hours to get home

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and when they got home they they noticed

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that the car stunk a vomit like a real

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putrid sick smell was permeating the car

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and she

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had a little triangular mark underneath

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her navel with a sharp defined cut Edge

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on it and she started to feel really

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really sick that's the first part of the

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story

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and that's that's in terms of of what

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they experienced consciously so that was

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their conscious experience

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but

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as the as the days and the weeks went on

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it started Kelly had a series of

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nightmares

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um a nightmare about something on top of

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her suctioning and a tall being being

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nearby and they they had these these

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little well she started to have these

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little little weird strange things that

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were happening

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and when it started to come back to them

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they so by the 16th of September of that

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year so you know just a week week or a

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bit later

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today we're visiting friends and the

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topic of UFOs had come up again

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and her husband related with what they

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had seen and Kelly at this stage was

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still apart from some dreams didn't

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really have any details but slowly over

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the next week she began to remember

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and it wasn't until a trip back up to

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her another trip to her friend's house

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in monbulk that it all came back in

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Vivid details and rather than go to

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bingo on the second trip she sat down

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with her friend and began to recall what

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actually happened so this is the so

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that's what they consciously recalled at

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the time already this is a com a week

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later or you know a few days later she's

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at her friend's house and the whole

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thing comes flooding back

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so she was very uh and that sort of

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became very very stressful so what

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happened what actually happened on the

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7th of August when they rounded the band

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after they'd gone through the light

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they had seen orange lights in the

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middle of the field about 150 meters

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back and it was the size of an Olympic

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swimming pool and as high as a two-story

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house and brightly illuminated

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and Andrew pulled the station wagon over

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the road was Pitch Black and there was

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no moon or anything like that at all

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and when he when he turned off the

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headlights the only light source was the

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craft in the field

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and the craft was even bigger than what

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they had seen earlier that that night

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that when they'd seen it on the way on

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the way up on the first trip

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and it also had blue and aqua light

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coming streaming down from underneath

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the craft it was very beautiful and the

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lights looked like they had a Mist

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around each of the lights now this is

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where it gets interesting another car

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stopped behind the Cahill's car 110

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meters back and a third car 25 meters

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behind that also stopped

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the Kelly could see two people holding

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hands in front of the second car and but

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they're only silhouettes

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and Andrew and Kelly got out of their

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car across the road over a storm water

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drain and they walked over to a fence

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and I've stood at this exact spot and

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they stood there for 30 seconds bathed

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in this amazing light and then from

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nowhere a tall black figure appeared in

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front of the craft really tall skinny

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black figure

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and it was tall and a little misshapen

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and the being began to move towards them

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from over 150 meters away

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and in her head Kelly heard a suggestion

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and the suggestion was in a flat voice

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let's kill them and it was a suggestion

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that that had no emotion or excitement

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and she she said it was more like a

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discussion of options

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but all of a sudden there was not just

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one being underneath the craft

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illuminated by the blue light there were

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seven to eight beings and possibly more

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and this is what happened this is what

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happened then a low frequency shock wave

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Came Traveling across the field and it

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hit the people standing next to their

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extending next to their cars and against

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the fence and it was like a base ant at

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a rock concert when you're standing at a

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rock concert that booming bass which we

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all love yeah um but it's not her clean

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off her feet and the wave passed through

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her body uh and it was more like a

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horror-inducing energy that passed

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through her body and Terror Rose inside

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her in the bed and all at once the beans

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eyes lit up a brilliant red they all the

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eyes came on brilliant red

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and Kelly screamed they have no souls

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and the groups split into two groups the

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the aliens spitting to split into two

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groups and they started charging across

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the field towards the witnesses and they

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covered the distance of 150 meters in

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three seconds not running but floating

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and it was an instant reaction and she

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described them as moving not moving way

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better than organized military unit

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would move it was like everyone was

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thinking the same thing at the same time

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and it just happened in a really instant

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kind of a way

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and the energy knocked them to the

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ground

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and

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the red eyes were described as being

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being horrific and it was the energy

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from the eyes that was that that she

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remembered very very strongly

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and she thought her thoughts were

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scrambled at having been knocked over

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and uh one of these tall figures

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appeared instantly before her and she

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felt a blow and she was on the ground

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days confused winded all that sort of

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thing and she could only hear her

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husband telling the creatures to leave

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me alone

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and

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we mean you no harm but she described

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the voices dripping with sarcasm and

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that this creature was fond of using

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cliches and used them throughout its

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address with them so it was really

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00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,080
really strange and Andrew asked her

548
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:27,659
husband asked why did you hit Kelly and

549
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:29,640
the response was I wouldn't harm her

550
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:33,120
after all I am her father Kelly she

551
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:36,299
screamed at the creature she said uh you

552
00:22:40,850 --> 00:22:38,039
are not my father I hate you you were

553
00:22:42,770 --> 00:22:40,860
evil over and over and Kelly said it it

554
00:22:45,649 --> 00:22:42,780
was as if it was as if she was being

555
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:45,659
mocked and it had its little joke

556
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:48,179
chuckling and it was

557
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:50,520
and it was just and after that she

558
00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:52,440
basically blacked out

559
00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:53,580
so

560
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:56,520
that's the conscious recall that she

561
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,720
actually had

562
00:23:02,690 --> 00:22:59,640
now

563
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,700
so here we've got let me just let me

564
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:04,799
just interrupt you for a second there so

565
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,980
she had this all through regression or

566
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:09,720
something like that or how did she

567
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,840
record it and what about Andrew yeah

568
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:15,840
well it started to come it it all it all

569
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,080
came back to her at this once at this

570
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,840
one session uh at her at her friend's

571
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:24,000
house when it was like the the memory

572
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,480
blockers had been uh released or almost

573
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:30,720
away and suddenly this instant recall

574
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,520
came back to her about the horror of the

575
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:34,440
event now at home she had been really

576
00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:36,299
sick she started bleeding menstrually

577
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:39,720
out out of the time of her cycle uh very

578
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:42,120
heavily and she ended up going into into

579
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:43,799
hospital with the with a uterine

580
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,340
infection so all this had happened as

581
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
well prior to prior to the uh The

582
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,320
Awakening which you could call it of of

583
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:54,299
this of these actual you know what

584
00:24:00,110 --> 00:23:57,840
happened to her so so that's the that's

585
00:24:01,730 --> 00:24:00,120
the that's the brush stroke story of

586
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:01,740
what of what actually occurred and then

587
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,539
she did do some regressions after that

588
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:06,120
but that all kind of gets a bit a bit

589
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:09,059
lost to the to us as being able to

590
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,140
access that side of it and I know a a

591
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:15,600
lady who who helped her during that time

592
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:19,320
I know her personally as well and uh and

593
00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:23,880
it was an extremely traumatic experience

594
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,620
but

595
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:28,799
incredibly this is where the story

596
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:31,980
starts to derail from from this point

597
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,780
onwards in that she now wanted to try

598
00:24:41,870 --> 00:24:38,940
and get some help and she started

599
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,880
calling universities

600
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:43,679
um observatories

601
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:46,500
the civil aviation Authority the Wrath

602
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:49,140
she's a royal Australian Air Force she

603
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,419
started making phone calls I've got to

604
00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:53,760
try and get tell someone about this

605
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:55,860
experience and they all told basically

606
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,780
they all pretty much dismissed it as you

607
00:25:02,690 --> 00:24:59,820
could imagine they would back then

608
00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:02,700
but the civil aviation Authority gave

609
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:05,820
her bill chalker's phone number in

610
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,340
Sydney so Kelly was in Melbourne and

611
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:10,080
bills based in Sydney long time

612
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:12,179
Australian researcher many people who

613
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,980
are listening would probably be aware of

614
00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:16,260
bill and his work uh really really good

615
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,400
researcher

616
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:19,200
but Bill was stuck up there and he knew

617
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:20,220
that he wouldn't he wasn't going to be

618
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:23,159
able to handle that case with all its

619
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:25,080
intricacies you know everything from

620
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,539
what happened to Kelly and Andrew all

621
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:29,640
the way through to finding the other

622
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:32,520
Witnesses so he thought who could I who

623
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:34,500
can I offer this case too so he he

624
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,980
contacted John orcatel I just have to

625
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,419
interrupt you real quickly for a second

626
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:41,279
there's someone pounding on my studio

627
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:43,380
outside my pounding trying to get in

628
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:44,940
they're locked out or something so

629
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:46,919
please continue on I gotta let them in

630
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:50,460
and but please continue on yes thank you

631
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,059
so he he passed the the whole uh

632
00:26:01,549 --> 00:25:56,880
responsibility for the investigation on

633
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:01,559
to uh on to John Alcatel uh for his

634
00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:03,240
group was pra

635
00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:06,120
now John being in Melbourne contacted

636
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:08,220
Kelly and they started talking about the

637
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,340
events and John also instantly put ads

638
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,860
in the local paper and he worded them in

639
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:16,559
a very specific way so that people would

640
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,260
understand uh so people who'd been at

641
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,880
that who'd been at that encounter would

642
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:23,120
know the cues that he'd put into the ad

643
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:25,980
and he very soon he started to get some

644
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:29,400
responses and the first car came forward

645
00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:32,279
and those people were known as Bill Jan

646
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,460
and Glenda and later on the third card

647
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:38,640
was also found with one male in it

648
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:42,240
now the other Witnesses they all

649
00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:45,720
recounted similar similar experiences

650
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:48,120
which became interesting

651
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,059
but the problem becomes that none of the

652
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:53,580
additional Witnesses have ever come

653
00:27:02,330 --> 00:26:57,299
forward publicly so no one has been able

654
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:02,340
to talk to Bill Jan or Glenda or the

655
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:05,159
other man they've they've just never

656
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:08,460
come forward in in the 30 years since

657
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:11,640
that makes the story hard to actually

658
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,080
verify

659
00:27:19,570 --> 00:27:16,380
but John in his investigation went to

660
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:19,580
the to the location and he also found

661
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:23,400
burn marks on the ground and they also

662
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:26,400
found some strange Trace readings in

663
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,720
that location

664
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:29,760
so as much as we can argue about the

665
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:33,000
fact is this a genuine case or not there

666
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:36,120
was physical trace evidence in that

667
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,400
field at that time

668
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:41,039
so that can't sort of readily be

669
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:42,179
dismissed

670
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:45,059
the rest of it after that becomes

671
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,900
a lot more convoluted and and difficult

672
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:50,220
so

673
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,380
bill

674
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,200
was kind of shut out of it at that point

675
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,600
too so he was never able to get back

676
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,940
into the case

677
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:01,559
as a result

678
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,760
and

679
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:05,760
Kelly ultimately the frustration had

680
00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:09,179
come out in her as well with with the

681
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:12,779
way the case had been had been

682
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:13,620
um

683
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:16,260
handled I think she became sort of

684
00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:18,360
disillusioned with the whole thing but

685
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:19,980
at the same time as that she'd also

686
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:23,340
become a real public figure and had done

687
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:26,279
many talking tours in Australia and she

688
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:28,980
also went to America and she did a tour

689
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,279
over there uh in in the year or so after

690
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:34,080
that as well

691
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:35,820
so she was very

692
00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:38,700
very high profile and then all of a

693
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:41,940
sudden that Fame became way too much for

694
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:44,039
her and she decided that she was gonna

695
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,740
jettison the whole the whole thing and

696
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:48,720
she even got rid of her UFO records

697
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,659
everything and she disappeared off the

698
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:53,840
radar wow

699
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,480
so so that was and you've tried to

700
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,580
you've tried to reach out to her he said

701
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,159
yeah I've reached out to her and I and I

702
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:04,620
I have met her and I and I know where

703
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:08,400
she is and I I reached out to her

704
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:10,919
I mean I have never I'd never met a

705
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,820
Beyond a real brief sort of meeting and

706
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,679
I reached out to her to try and say look

707
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,440
after all these years it'd be fantastic

708
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,140
just to touch base just to see what's

709
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:24,059
been happening for you over the last 30

710
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:26,700
years not turn it into a big you know a

711
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,720
big

712
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,059
um song and dance again let's just touch

713
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,820
base on how you're going uh and if and

714
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:34,380
has anything else happened since that

715
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:36,899
time and that was that was my intention

716
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,460
and approach with her and I wanted to

717
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:40,080
approach her from a from a friendly

718
00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:43,380
angle and she hasn't replied to me in

719
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:45,720
terms of being willing or interested to

720
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,460
come out and and I knew that anyway I

721
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:50,039
knew that she had that she has disowned

722
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:51,720
the whole thing and not and is not

723
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:53,159
interested in talking about it but I

724
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:55,740
thought if you don't ask you don't know

725
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:58,200
now what about the other people we only

726
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,299
know their first names right

727
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:02,640
that's part of the problem too is that

728
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:04,919
we've only got pseudonyms to deal with

729
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:07,140
because me as a me as an investigator

730
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:09,059
you just got to give me something small

731
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:12,059
tiny a whiff of smoke and I will go out

732
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:15,480
there and I will dig and turn the Earth

733
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,919
over

734
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:18,799
to see what I can find

735
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:21,539
but when you all you've got is three

736
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,480
first names that aren't their real names

737
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:25,860
you've got nowhere to go

738
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:27,779
and what about her husband did he ever

739
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:31,500
talk about what he and what his

740
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:34,740
experience was that particular night he

741
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:38,640
was he was actually a Muslim uh and he

742
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,980
was never he never spoke about it

743
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:43,140
publicly ever

744
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:45,659
he didn't do a single interview how

745
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:49,320
about in her book no no because the book

746
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,960
is written purely from Kelly's

747
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,820
perspective it's basically out of print

748
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,799
now and very hard to find I've got two

749
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:57,480
copies but it's very it's very hard to

750
00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:00,360
track down and the book is written from

751
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:02,340
her perspective now the book's an

752
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:03,659
interesting read

753
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:06,840
but you can't take that book as being

754
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,740
the gospel the reason I say that is

755
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:12,240
because it's it's written from one

756
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:15,779
perspective with very little ability to

757
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,679
research and probe into it so I tore

758
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,020
that book apart for for whatever I could

759
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:23,760
find in there I knew she lived in your

760
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,580
lawn North I Google walked every street

761
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,980
in your lawn North and I had a picture

762
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:31,080
that she had placed on a local buy Swap

763
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,020
and sell uh for a car that she was

764
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:36,720
selling and I walked up and down your

765
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:39,840
lawn mower trying to find mailboxes and

766
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,399
brick patterns and everything that

767
00:31:48,169 --> 00:31:44,340
looked like where she would be and I

768
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,179
didn't have any success so she was very

769
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:50,820
um you know very very difficult to find

770
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:53,820
but but funnily enough is that she's not

771
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,340
actually that far away from me so that

772
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,600
was good too she could have moved

773
00:32:02,990 --> 00:31:59,279
anywhere in the world and everybody

774
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,000
moves to Queensland here you know so

775
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,640
um that but that didn't happen so and I

776
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,440
still really would love to have the

777
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:09,720
opportunity to sit down and have a

778
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,220
discussion with us have to be a podcast

779
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:13,760
even I'd be happy just to talk to her

780
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,220
one-on-one about the entire the entire

781
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:19,860
event now I have spoken to both Bill

782
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:22,440
Chalker and John Alcatel about it as

783
00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:23,940
well at different times over the years

784
00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:25,880
and I know both of them pretty well

785
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,960
uh and

786
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,000
you've still got relatively limited

787
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:32,159
information as well bills limited from

788
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:33,419
the fact that he doesn't have the

789
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:36,720
information and John still because he

790
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:39,299
wasn't able to complete the report the

791
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:41,820
way that he wanted to do it he's still

792
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:45,000
very reluctant to discuss that case and

793
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,460
I've respected that Desiring him to do

794
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,200
that because he doesn't really want to

795
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,120
talk about it hmm

796
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,820
wow so it's another thing it's another

797
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:56,039
one of those encounters that's a big

798
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:59,100
huge question mark as a lot of them are

799
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:02,039
but it had did she ever talk about any

800
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:04,860
other physical issues

801
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,260
other than what you went through yes so

802
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:09,960
she had a whole host of strange strange

803
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:12,600
events that sort of occurred to them

804
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:14,760
um over the over the time you know like

805
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:18,299
right back before they actually uh even

806
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,519
had the recollection there was strange

807
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:22,200
things happening around the house so

808
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:24,120
there was there was some paranormal

809
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:28,440
activity that was occurring and so you

810
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:30,419
said she was having extremely strong

811
00:33:36,130 --> 00:33:33,419
dreams you know loud noises and bright

812
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:36,140
lights would cause her extreme distress

813
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:39,000
so she couldn't handle that so you know

814
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:40,980
if a truck went past or you know

815
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,019
someone's headlights were shining that

816
00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:46,620
was all those PTSD type of effects that

817
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:48,899
she was that she was actually having you

818
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:51,000
know the dreams were extremely strange

819
00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:52,860
you know like

820
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:54,899
um and there was one one incidence that

821
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:57,539
she had where she went to bed about 3

822
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:00,960
A.M and she awoke and recalled a dream

823
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,200
involving UFOs and entities and in Her

824
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:05,760
Dream she recognized as one of the

825
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,460
beings as someone familiar and trusted

826
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,679
although she did not know who the being

827
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,080
was but she had the idea that this being

828
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:15,720
was the keeper of her soul and on the

829
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,659
table for the being was a Bible which

830
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,520
she recognized as one of her own Bibles

831
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:22,560
because she was actually a Pentecostal

832
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:25,080
Christian and she may still well be and

833
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,440
the being told her that she could come

834
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,659
with him but she had to leave the Bible

835
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,599
behind or she could just leave with the

836
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,580
Bible and this made her distrust The

837
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:37,740
Entity this is the dream and she thought

838
00:34:43,210 --> 00:34:40,679
that he must be satanic to ask her to

839
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,220
give up the Bible so her whole her whole

840
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:45,359
framework was was coming from a

841
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,300
Pentecostal background and as if the

842
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,220
entity could read her mind it handed her

843
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:52,320
the Bible but seemed disappointed by her

844
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,119
decision so that was one of the strange

845
00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:57,119
dreams that she had you know yeah and

846
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,160
plus the suction dream electrical items

847
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,160
TVs behaved oddly turning on and off the

848
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:04,740
starter motor in the car would turn over

849
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,400
without anybody near it so she received

850
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:11,040
electric shocks from wood Stones soil

851
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:13,800
all those type of things so there was a

852
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,780
lot of extra paranormal stuff that was

853
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:18,480
going around it but again none of this

854
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,520
is verifiable

855
00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:22,920
well you know uh it's funny you hear

856
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:25,619
about I mean I've heard about things

857
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:28,800
like that I had Melanie Kirch

858
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,800
kirchendorfer kirchdorfer from the

859
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:33,440
Berkshires UFO

860
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:37,320
encounter I've talked to her visited her

861
00:35:42,730 --> 00:35:40,619
at her house with a friend and she has

862
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:42,740
things like that happening around her

863
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,060
electrical things she actually showed me

864
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,000
a video of her like being near a lamp

865
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,920
and the lamp flashing off and on you

866
00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:51,599
know I mean like all these weird things

867
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:53,579
happening constantly

868
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:55,980
um ever since that encounter that's I

869
00:36:01,849 --> 00:35:59,760
mean Heidi just another big mystery you

870
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:01,859
know how could these things happen

871
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:05,040
yeah that's that's right and and I just

872
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,540
want to sort of go back to Okay so we've

873
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:08,579
got this sort of this testimony of

874
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:10,380
various things that happened and we kind

875
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,540
of have to take it on good faith that

876
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:14,280
you either believe that it did or it

877
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,720
didn't happen you know like people will

878
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,800
say oh yeah I fully believe that

879
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,119
happened to her up and say no that's all

880
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,700
a bunch of rubbish but the ground trace

881
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:23,520
evidence sort of does provide some level

882
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:26,280
of support to that you know so John

883
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,940
searched the searched the field for

884
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,400
traces of chemicals electromagnetic

885
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:34,680
traces he measured distances and he

886
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,020
photographed everything specialized

887
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:39,119
aerial photography was used and John

888
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,300
conducted 11 inspections of the site and

889
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:44,160
Kelly assisted him during two of those

890
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:46,140
inspections pointing out where everybody

891
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,540
had been including the beings in the UFO

892
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,119
a computer grid image of the magnetic

893
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:53,460
anomaly at the site showed a

894
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:55,980
semi-circular impression which matched

895
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:58,020
the shape of the craft and the ground

896
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:01,020
had been baked under high pressure and

897
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:02,760
there was a triangular Mark as well as

898
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:05,460
the traces corresponding to perceived

899
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:07,740
Landing tripods so there was marks in

900
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,500
the formation about 18 feet apart and

901
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:12,240
they corresponded with a tripod that had

902
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,280
been drawn benef actually out in the

903
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:16,619
field and the whole area was laced with

904
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,800
a sulfur chemical called pyrene mean

905
00:37:25,069 --> 00:37:22,560
often found in coal and it was present

906
00:37:26,770 --> 00:37:25,079
though it should not have been there and

907
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:26,780
additionally there was tannic acid

908
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:29,160
contained in some sort of a coating was

909
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:31,020
present in the semicircle but not

910
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,480
elsewhere and the vegetation in the

911
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:36,119
Crescent area had shown signs of being

912
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:39,180
subjected to abrasion

913
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,500
so wow so I take very heavy duty trace

914
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:45,300
evidence there that's CBG trace evidence

915
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,680
there's only a couple of photographs

916
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:48,780
that have been released

917
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:51,240
um that John has released uh not not

918
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,099
many at all but there are photos that

919
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:55,380
exist of the burnt patches on the ground

920
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,859
and um you know I've been out there many

921
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,480
times to that location I've been at

922
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,940
there so many times now it's completely

923
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:05,520
built out but back in 1993 it was there

924
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:07,079
was it was pretty much just Fields but

925
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,240
you go there now and houses have

926
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,280
encroached everywhere out there there's

927
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:13,440
always little Hobby Farms out there and

928
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,500
it's just not what it was back then but

929
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:17,760
you can imagine what it must have been

930
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,140
like on a cold August Night in 1993 hmm

931
00:38:26,569 --> 00:38:24,780
wow yeah that's that's pretty that's a

932
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:26,579
really interesting case I'm glad you

933
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,099
finally talked uh I found someone to

934
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:31,740
talk about it and uh yeah and I

935
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,540
understand you know this happens a lot

936
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:35,579
where people they they don't want to

937
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,599
talk about

938
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,660
it anymore they're done and you know but

939
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,760
they sometimes come back I mean Travis

940
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:43,440
Walton was that way for a while he

941
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,180
didn't ever want to talk about his

942
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,800
encounter he was all done with it and

943
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:49,920
then he retired and decided okay time to

944
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:53,339
talk about it exactly and yeah and uh

945
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:55,380
and and Calvin Calvin Parker that's

946
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:58,260
right yeah just exactly the same and and

947
00:39:04,849 --> 00:39:01,800
I really because often we've got nothing

948
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,859
except the historical record of of the

949
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,680
UFO phenomenon and when these Witnesses

950
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:09,359
come out and they discuss it and they're

951
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,980
happy to bring it out and let's revisit

952
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:13,680
it again that's a really good thing uh

953
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,619
and recently uh on my show I discovered

954
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:18,839
a uh I've found through a fellow

955
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:22,619
researcher George Simpson uh he had a

956
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,660
lost tape of another really

957
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:27,420
extraordinary strange UFO encounter and

958
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,980
we were able to bring that out on my

959
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:30,960
show and have the first hand witness's

960
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:32,760
voice had never been heard publicly in

961
00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:36,300
over 50 years he's recorded interview of

962
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:39,060
of that experience and this is when you

963
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,099
can find this information when there's

964
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,740
Witnesses decide to talk again that's

965
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:45,780
where we get our out the value out of

966
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,339
the out of the UFO phenomenon because

967
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:50,640
the record the historical record is

968
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:53,579
where I believe this the answers lie as

969
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,140
well they lie in the historical record

970
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,720
and they show us what's happened they

971
00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:00,240
also show us that with the historical

972
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,760
record you've got what happens in the

973
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:05,280
future can relate to the history

974
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:07,260
right well you know like you just

975
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:10,440
mentioned the Pascagoula case has now

976
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:12,660
there's that happened back in 1973 in

977
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,960
Pascagoula and now there's more

978
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,579
witnesses that have actually come

979
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,160
forward and they're they're actually uh

980
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,500
able to document that these people were

981
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:25,680
in that area at that time and so it's

982
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:27,780
it's pretty interesting how when

983
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:31,079
something gets brought back up again you

984
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:32,760
know that some people complain like why

985
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:35,220
do you talk about old cases but a lot of

986
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:37,560
times when you talk about old cases

987
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,740
something new comes to light and I think

988
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:43,020
it's important exactly I've just done on

989
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,339
my last episode I've just I've just

990
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:46,079
recorded this morning is about kempsey

991
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:47,760
New South Wales which had an

992
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:51,300
extraordinary flap of UFOs in 1971 and

993
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:52,680
people say well that's old news who

994
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:54,839
cares about that and I'll say well it's

995
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,579
not happening now

996
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:58,560
you know it happened back then but not

997
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,540
now we need to know what happened we

998
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:02,400
need to know where

999
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:05,579
where and it's an incredible story it's

1000
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:07,760
probably I would say go close to saying

1001
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:10,440
uh from a newspaper perspective probably

1002
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:13,859
one of the most singly reported uh local

1003
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:16,260
newspaper investigations done by the

1004
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:18,060
local paper and they did it from a

1005
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:20,579
serious and uh level-minded perspective

1006
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,060
so the past is important it's you've got

1007
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:26,220
to go there because all the stuff that

1008
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,020
happened in the past is brilliant it's

1009
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,000
fantastic I wish I wasn't a child in the

1010
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:33,000
70s I wish I was an adult so that I

1011
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,320
could have been there in a more

1012
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:36,480
realistic way to investigate it back at

1013
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,220
that time but now I was you know five

1014
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:40,560
six seven years old back then and

1015
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,180
nothing you can do at the time when

1016
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,880
these events were occurring but now

1017
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:46,500
we're not seeing these type of

1018
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:48,060
encounters occurring now we're not

1019
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:50,839
seeing these great things from the past

1020
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:53,400
it just doesn't seem to happen and even

1021
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,380
in in the modern world the 21st century

1022
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:57,540
with all the phones and the cameras and

1023
00:42:03,050 --> 00:41:59,579
everything out there we're still not

1024
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:03,060
capturing the level of intensity that

1025
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:05,160
occurred I would say during the 60s 70s

1026
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:06,420
and 80s

1027
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:08,339
do you want to talk about since you just

1028
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,720
touched on that I was going to ask you

1029
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:12,480
to when to move on I was going to ask

1030
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:14,040
you you know what's going on currently

1031
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,020
and and maybe we'll get a chance for

1032
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:17,760
that but since you just mentioned this

1033
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:20,820
1971 or whatever it is uh flap or

1034
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:22,980
whatever give us a little more details

1035
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,560
if you would oh no problem at all this

1036
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,560
this is a this is a i well first of all

1037
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:30,420
how I found it was I've got a heap of

1038
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:33,300
old records that I've um old newspaper

1039
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,859
clippings that I was fortunate enough to

1040
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,720
be able to get about five or six years

1041
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:38,720
ago which was remnants of the old

1042
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:41,820
viewforce the Victorian UFO research

1043
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,859
society's records I managed to get my

1044
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,720
hands on a couple of old filing cabinets

1045
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:48,240
and I pulled out these and I've got vast

1046
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:50,040
quantities of yellowing old newspaper

1047
00:42:54,410 --> 00:42:52,500
articles and I found one bunch and it

1048
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,420
was all stapled together and I just

1049
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,579
started reading it and I thought this is

1050
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,319
incredible this is New South Wales

1051
00:43:02,089 --> 00:43:00,540
kempsey kempsey is north of Sydney north

1052
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:02,099
of Newcastle

1053
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:04,980
um so North Coast New South Wales and

1054
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:06,180
just

1055
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,319
in April April 1971. now April is an

1056
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,839
important month as is October because

1057
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:14,160
with April

1058
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,859
in Victoria not the same year but the

1059
00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:18,900
same month uh we had the West all

1060
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:20,579
encounter the schoolyard encounter in

1061
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,020
April and we had the Burke's flat

1062
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:24,960
bending headlights case closer in April

1063
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,660
so so same month not same year but same

1064
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,980
month and I'm always looking for those

1065
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,319
type of type of you know Crossovers and

1066
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:33,599
things April's a big month for UFOs

1067
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:36,359
so in April the whole thing kicked off

1068
00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:40,200
with a man complaining that he had been

1069
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:43,460
sucked out through his kitchen window

1070
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:46,380
1971 he'd gone to the sink to get a

1071
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:49,800
drink of water he saw a small face a

1072
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:52,440
small strange round face pressed up

1073
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,819
against the glass

1074
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:55,680
and as he saw that

1075
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,040
he was inverted horizontally and he

1076
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:01,920
passed out through this small window

1077
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,800
and the window broke and he landed on

1078
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:06,960
the ground seven feet below

1079
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:10,260
he did not hurt himself from he had a

1080
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:12,119
cut on the hand and I'm in a minor

1081
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,700
abrasion but he he leaped up instantly

1082
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,460
he didn't have any physical effect other

1083
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,880
than a small cut and he was terrified

1084
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,040
and his wife came running in this is the

1085
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:25,200
start of this flap right his wife came

1086
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,460
running in and she saw him horizontally

1087
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:32,040
pass through the window and he fell down

1088
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:33,960
and he was terrified that kicked the

1089
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,099
whole thing off

1090
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,800
then there was a series of entire

1091
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,140
incidences around the entire kempsey

1092
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:42,839
district for the rest of that month and

1093
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:44,660
successive months as well and even into

1094
00:44:50,109 --> 00:44:48,180
1972 to the point where and some other

1095
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,119
examples from that particular flap was

1096
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,560
north of kempsey is another little town

1097
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:55,440
and three school boys were waiting for

1098
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:56,760
the post office to open in the morning

1099
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,700
and they saw this silver object descend

1100
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,640
rapidly out of the sky and it came down

1101
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:04,560
over their heads and they could see a

1102
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:07,740
row of Windows around it and these legs

1103
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,240
came down from underneath with these

1104
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,400
landing pads on each on these four legs

1105
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,380
and the thing sort of came over the top

1106
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,500
of them banked and and it moved away and

1107
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,440
they were terrified one example another

1108
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:21,599
example was fishermen standing on the

1109
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,880
coast not far from kempsey also in the

1110
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,859
same month they had parked their car

1111
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,720
walked two miles up the beach started

1112
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:30,240
fishing they saw a strange orange light

1113
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:32,940
out in the sky and they could hear this

1114
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:36,060
incredible grinding sound like gravel

1115
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:37,200
being crushed and if you've ever heard

1116
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:38,940
gravel being crushed it's a very noisy

1117
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:41,160
process but they describe it as 10 times

1118
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:44,520
louder than gravel being crushed and

1119
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,440
they were scared and terrified and they

1120
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:48,240
picked up their fishing rods and they

1121
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:51,000
ran back to their car and went to the

1122
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,339
car and as they were got to the car they

1123
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:55,380
could still hear the grinding sound and

1124
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:57,000
they jumped in the car and they bottled

1125
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:58,319
off they could still hear the grinding

1126
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,359
sound and that happened twice to one of

1127
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:02,160
the men he had been fishing in the same

1128
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,000
spot

1129
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,800
at another time and he had a very

1130
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:06,119
similar experience

1131
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:09,180
so it was so that's the type of thing

1132
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:10,740
and there was other sightings around the

1133
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,920
place where people were seeing

1134
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:15,359
describing brilliant brilliant light

1135
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:16,920
beautiful colors

1136
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:19,260
uh traveling around the town across the

1137
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:21,540
town and it became a really really

1138
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:24,780
intense flap and I've I've it's going to

1139
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,900
be a two-part show I've done part one uh

1140
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,520
and it's going to be part two when I

1141
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,680
when I get onto that but that's just a

1142
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:34,260
brief snapshot of that and you could

1143
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:37,380
talk for an hour about kempsey alone

1144
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,640
amazing and makes you wonder so it just

1145
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:43,380
stopped in that area I mean everything

1146
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:47,760
stopped fizzled out yep as they as these

1147
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:50,640
flaps do like they they will go for a

1148
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,900
period of time and things will come back

1149
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:53,880
over repeated nights and people will see

1150
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,099
even see the same light in the same spot

1151
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:58,319
on successive nights there was Landing

1152
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,180
circles in paddocks or we call them

1153
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,359
paddocks but fields in America I suppose

1154
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:05,339
um out there though there was uh burnt

1155
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:07,020
circles found in there was practically

1156
00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:08,460
everything that was dogs upset there

1157
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:10,619
were ducks and geese upset there was

1158
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,619
there was just a full Gambit of

1159
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,780
everything happening in a concentrated

1160
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,060
area in Northern New South Wales at that

1161
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:21,599
time now is that happening now no it's

1162
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,619
not

1163
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:24,480
how about that someone has a question

1164
00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:26,760
here they want to know have you heard of

1165
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:28,859
the lake Gosford UFO incident in

1166
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:31,380
Australia 1994. yes that's another

1167
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,380
brilliant brilliant absolutely brilliant

1168
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:37,020
case and that was covered really well in

1169
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:40,020
a documentary called Oz encounters so if

1170
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:41,579
everybody who's listening wants to hop

1171
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:44,700
onto YouTube and Google Oz encounters

1172
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:49,260
there was a magnificent OC yeah Oz yeah

1173
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,540
Oz o z as in The Wizard of Oz Oz

1174
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,460
um encounters and you watch that

1175
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:58,560
documentary it covers the Gosford

1176
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:01,500
incident and that was a really great

1177
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:04,380
occurrence because around the the lake

1178
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,540
there there's people living on the lake

1179
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:09,599
and many witnesses saw this object come

1180
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,119
down out of the sky

1181
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:14,640
and it hovered over the lake and it

1182
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:16,500
started sucking water up into it you

1183
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,060
just got to watch the documentary to see

1184
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:20,040
the even the graphics I know of the one

1185
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,099
I know it's good the 1993. I'm happy

1186
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:25,200
with those graphics for 1993 you'd kill

1187
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:28,980
it in two in 2022. yeah yeah there's a

1188
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,319
few cases where people have witnessed

1189
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:33,359
like water getting sucked up out of a

1190
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:34,500
lake and

1191
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:38,520
uh yeah absolutely you know and even in

1192
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,560
my own area there's a famous case called

1193
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:43,140
The Rosedale water tank incident and

1194
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:44,579
that was regarded and that's only an

1195
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,859
hour from my house that was regarded as

1196
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,900
one of the singular best UFO Encounters

1197
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,280
in Australia too because it had a

1198
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,859
reliable witness it had spooked animals

1199
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:55,440
it had ground trace evidence and it had

1200
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:57,480
a two additional witnesses to it and

1201
00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:00,780
this UFO the short version is this UFO

1202
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,520
uh farmer woke up at one o'clock in the

1203
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:04,319
morning all these animals were going

1204
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:06,839
absolutely ape he went outside and he

1205
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,280
saw what he thought was a plane coming

1206
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:10,440
into land but he noticed that wasn't the

1207
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,359
plane had no wings and it flew out over

1208
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:13,920
his Paddock and it hovered over one of

1209
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:16,260
his water tanks open water tank and he

1210
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:17,940
opted his bike and he drove rode the

1211
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,980
bike out close to it and the object

1212
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,319
landed on top of the water tank it sat

1213
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:24,240
there for for a few for a few seconds

1214
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:27,960
not long it took off landed down next to

1215
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:30,060
the the tank on the ground spinning on

1216
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,220
the ground it sends out a pulse wave

1217
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:34,800
that that knocks him senseless

1218
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,859
and it takes off and the next day the

1219
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:40,440
entire water tank 10 000 gallon tank had

1220
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:42,900
been drained bone dry of water and all

1221
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:45,300
there was in the bottom was a swirled up

1222
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:46,200
um

1223
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:49,020
uh silt had been swirled up about half a

1224
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,819
meter off the bottom of the tank it

1225
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:53,280
would take 24 hours to empty the tank

1226
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:56,579
and yes and this object was seen by a

1227
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:58,020
truck driver on the highway and that's

1228
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:59,280
right next to the highway past this

1229
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,839
water tank every time I go to Melbourne

1230
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,359
and it was right on there and a girl at

1231
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:05,220
the local shop had looked out the window

1232
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:08,099
and seen this object as well the cows

1233
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:09,900
were spooked for a week they couldn't

1234
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,180
get the cows to do anything after that

1235
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:13,920
and that was and that's another example

1236
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:17,520
of a really so is that happening now no

1237
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,260
but you never know someone just just

1238
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:21,839
wanted to say hi from uh listening in

1239
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:25,619
Melbourne oh fantastic hello hello to

1240
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:28,859
Felix yeah hello Felix yeah if you're

1241
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:31,020
people have uh happened to be in the

1242
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,319
chat from there so yeah uh wow these are

1243
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:36,240
really great cases in that that water

1244
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,000
tank that is that's a real that's that's

1245
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:41,819
fantastic amazing the Rosedale water

1246
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:43,800
tank if you if you see the thing is like

1247
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:45,180
now that we've got these podcast shows

1248
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,380
we can talk about all these brilliant

1249
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:48,660
Australian cases that just are not known

1250
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:50,579
in America they just really aren't known

1251
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:51,960
you know we all know about the great

1252
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,339
cases that are around the world there's

1253
00:50:58,490 --> 00:50:55,859
a lot of really good high quality High

1254
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:58,500
strangeness Australian UFO encounters

1255
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,579
and that's that's what I've been working

1256
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,160
on for the last 12 years yeah I like the

1257
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:04,079
band headlights one but unfortunately

1258
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,940
we're we're just about out of time we

1259
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,920
just have a couple minutes left but that

1260
00:51:11,890 --> 00:51:09,839
one is fantastic

1261
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,970
I think we did before the last time so

1262
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,780
you're actually on a you're on a radio

1263
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,119
another radio so you're streaming live

1264
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:23,400
on a weekly basis

1265
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,980
uh that's correct yes yes so and you can

1266
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:27,359
put that plug out there don't don't

1267
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:30,660
don't be shy well a few years ago I did

1268
00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:33,180
have I did have a show on kgri uh which

1269
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:34,859
was the Ben Hur show which was doing the

1270
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:36,599
similar stuff that I'm doing now but but

1271
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,819
now I've got a new show called uh

1272
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,760
unexplained phenomena Australia and the

1273
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,400
good thing about that show is that I

1274
00:51:50,329 --> 00:51:47,040
have expanded it Beyond UFOs so I can

1275
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,339
talk yowies I can talk ghosts I can talk

1276
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:52,680
yeah anything under the sun and I've and

1277
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:54,420
I've covered some really strange stuff

1278
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:57,900
on my show and uh that's that show is on

1279
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:01,319
the unx network and it's on at 7 pm

1280
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,260
Eastern on Wednesday nights in America

1281
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:07,200
and it's and for those in Australia it's

1282
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,579
9 A.M Thursday uh which which is and

1283
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:12,960
you're not that's not a live show that's

1284
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:15,240
pre-recorded that's pre-record I just do

1285
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,220
pre-records because I work at 50 60 hour

1286
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,500
a week full-time job and you're assume

1287
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:21,900
I'll have to do pre-records so grateful

1288
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,140
that you actually you ask for time off

1289
00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:27,359
from work to be here and I really do

1290
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:29,579
appreciate that very much and I wear

1291
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,380
Israel Martin anytime there's lots to

1292
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,420
discuss that's right and it's always fun

1293
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:35,280
talking to you Ben really enjoyed it a

1294
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:38,339
lot so you take care yeah no worries

1295
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:41,099
thanks for having me on the show you bet

1296
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:42,540
all right everyone so we're going to be

1297
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:45,359
back next week with Kevin Day and uh

1298
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,579
like I said before there's a lot going

1299
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,440
on in the next few weeks it should be a

1300
00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:51,240
lot of fun and thank you so much for

1301
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:53,220
hanging out with us tonight and remember

1302
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:54,850
to keep your eyes to the sky

1303
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,060
foreign